BARF - BONES and RAW food

[Nanook]

Kakor jaz razumem to, stvari miksajo zato, da jih zival lazje poje in da so kosi manjsi, ker jih vecina meso dobesedno golta. Za ciscenje zob uporabljajo surove kosti-kot dodatek; ne vem, ce je to tudi vsteto v tisto 80-80% mesa, 10-20% zelenjave.   Morda je kot bonus? Vitamini in probiotiki tudi meni niso jasni, ce pa naj bi bil BARF kompletna naravna prehrana hehe. Morda je to odgovor na kritike, da v BARFu primanjkuje vitaminov (dolocenih) in da ima veliko psov (in mack) drisko in redno bruha? Ne vem.  

[bina]

Uf, po kakšnem tednu se mi je celo uspelo prebiti skozi vseh 15 strani . No, kje ste sedaj Barf-arji in tisti anti Barf-arji? Po tolikem času probavanja Barfa, ali ste zadovoljni? Kako se kaj obnese na vaših psih?

Mi hranimo svoja psa z briketi in bomo tako tudi ostali, ampak me pa zanima, kako se obnese Barf pri vaših psih.

No, prosim za komentarje tistih, ki so spomladi in poleti probavali Barf!

Lp jana

[mefisto]

Pa spet... ce je tako naravno, zakaj bi morala dodajati se dodatke kot so vitamini in probiotiki  

Ne dodajam ničesar! Res pa je, da zelenjava in meso ni dovolj, tu so še vsa živa semena, oreščki, olja iz semen, med, ribe,.... ah škoda podvajanja tem saj kdor hoče najde vse na tujih straneh, ki so v prejšnjih straneh te teme navedene!

[mefisto]

Ni tako ogromno kot se zdi, Jana!

Evo večerje od včeraj za 2 napoletanca:

2 kg govedine+junečih src surovo
1/4 kg na hitro prepraženih jeter zalitih s cca 2 dcl vode ( brez začimb in dodatkov )
1 kg piščančjega mesa s kostmi vred surovo
1/ 4 kg zelenjave ( korenček+rdeče zelje ) zmiksano

2 pesti sončničnih semen, malo lanenega semena, pest rozin, 3 VŽ jedilnega kvasa Biotop vse zmiksano
2 pesti nasekljanih pšeničnih kalčkov ( jih sama gojim, ni komplicirano, zdravo za vse nas )

Vse zmešam, zalijem z jetrno omako in požrla bi še prazne sklede

Priboljšek po večerji:
"medene palčke": nalomljene Hobby dog palčke in nanje navito ( kako naj drugač rečem?) čim več medu

Današnji zajtrk ( sta ga ravno pospravila ):
8 jajc ( v vročem mleku zakrknjeni beljaki zmešani s surovimi rumenjaki in 1/2 l kisle smetane + 2 skodelici rženih kosmičev-suhih, ne namočenih! )
1 zmiksana banana
Vse zmešano med seboj.

A je zelo hudo in veliko???  Meni se ne zdi, le dela je precej.

Glede vetrov: na vsako hrano moraš psa postopno privaditi, Beyba je začela tako jesti ko je prišel k hiši Mars, od začetka se je zelo zmrdovala. Mars je od začetka takšno hrano in prdenja skorajda ne poznamo- sem še sama presenečena. Prej, kadar so psi jedli brikete, konzerve je bilo vetrov veliko, veliko več!

Jana, ne puščaj psici hrane zunaj, da zmrzne, jesti zmrznjeno? saj ji boš uničila prebavila! Kar ne poje v 15 min odnesi, pa naslednjič pogrej. Najslabše pa je mešati tko kot pišeš: konzervo, zelenjavo, brikete, čeprav to od velikih slišim, da počnejo. Poskusi en "zdrav" obrok in en samo briketni.

[bina]

Ups, malo sem se narobe izrazila. Hrane ne puščam zunaj. Meni ni treba čakat 15 minut da Bina poje, ker poje svoje brikete v pol minute. Brikete dodam obroku zato, da mi BINA ne zmrzne zunaj .

Ja, meni se to zdi veliko hrane. Količinsko in cenovno. Kako jima pa daš piščanca-kosti in meso? A to kaj zgrizeta ali samo pogoltneta? Ker jaz sem zadnjič dala Bini piščančje bedro (tisti v obliki črke L) in ga ni nič razgrizla, samo pogoltnila . Mene je kr pri srcu stisnilo, kaj če bo kaj narobe. Ampak se je vse dobro končalo.

Dodajam ji pa še skuto, kefir, oreščke, jajca, ribe, telečje kosti... Ampak osnova so pa vseeno briketi. Ker jaz še videt ne morem srca pa pljuč in ostale drobovine, kaj šele da bi jaz to kupovala in pripravljala. Še meso (kadar ga dobi) vzamem iz vrečke z vilicami...

Lp jana

[mefisto]

Živ Kaja!

Nahraniti je treba 130 kg žive teže , tako da se mi količina zdi kvečjemu majhna. Glej vsak bi potreboval cca 800 g kvalitetnih briket, če bi jih namočila, bi to bilo cca 2 kg hrane na vsakega.

Jesta mali zajtrk in veliko večerjo.

Makaronov ne marata, dobita včasih polento ( 1 kg je imam za cca 8 obrokov ), riž ( 1 kg za cca 8 obrokov ) in razne kosmiče ( 1 kg za cca 4 obroke )

Dolg sprehod imata popoldne, jesta ob cca 19:00. O počivanju po obroku se vsak dan posebej kregamo , skrijem vse igrače in podobne rekvizite, vendar miru ni nikoli, če sem ravno slabe volje enega spustim na hodnik, drug pa ostane v dnevni. Ta v dnevni potem teži nama in spet ni pri miru. Ja saj vem, vsi svetujemo počivanje po obroku zaradi zasuka želodca, sam čakam, da nas še to doleti, skoraj vse ostalo nas je pri prejšnjih že. Po drugi strani, pa kolikor prebiram razne članke, si še veterinarji niso enotni, zakaj pravzaprav pride do zasuka želodca: upam, da bo naslednji mail šel cel čez, prej je izginil

[mefisto]

For a while there were recommendations that you should wet the food before feeding it to the dog because the kibble absorbs moisture in the stomach and then expands and this may trigger the bloat. But this doesn't explain why so many dogs bloat on an empty stomach.

There does seem to be some relation to stress--at least half the time dogs can be under stress and then they bloat, but this does not explain the other half where they seem to be asleep on a normal night and bloat while sleeping! how much stress could they have been under then!

There really does seem to be some relationship to inheritance. At least, if your dog is directly related to a dog that has bloated, the "chances" of your dog bloating seems to be increased considerably. In lots of cases when a dog has bloated, if you ask the breeder, you find a close relative that has bloated as well...but there are also plenty of dogs related to dogs that have bloated that are fine. My own dog USNMC CH Iron N'Stone Cadimus' mother died of bloat...but Cadimus was fine his whole life and all his littermates were too. And even if you have a dog that has bloated, and you find that a parent has bloated and a grandparent and a great-grand-parent, there may also be plenty of littermates that have not bloated.

It does seem to be true that a dog that has bloated once, if it survives, will be far far far more likely to bloat again. Which is why, if a dog bloats, they now often will "tack the stomach" to the wall of the intestine. It doesn't prevent the dog from bloating a second time, but it does prevent the stomach from twisting, causing the "torsion" that is the cause of death. The dog can still bloat, and get an increase of gas in the stomach, but ultimately it can be released...and there's no torsion, so the dog lives.

It's a difficult thing to live with, the chance of bloat, with a breed such as ours. As owners of the animals we need to be conscious of the factors that "could" cause things like bloat and minimze the chances that it will happen to our own dogs or dogs of our own breeding.

The last theory I heard about was that the cause of bloat ultimately was that it was some microbe or thingy that lived in the stomach of all dogs that produced the gas...and something would trigger the microbe to start multiplying or in some way producing the gas in massive quantities. But what's the trigger?

It seems to me that there may actually be multiple factors, just like the list of questions...any of those factors may be the one that caused bloat in your dog. And the factor that caused bloat in one dog may not be the same factor that caused it in another dog.

So as owners and breeders we have to be very careful about our dogs, and watch for any of the factors that may cause bloat. They're big and fearsome looking, but in another sense, delicate..and we have to be very
careful to responsibly breed and care for these animals to minimize the problems.