Legalna manipulacija z rodovniki iz države bivše Jugoslavije

[bullyzone]

No, jaz sem vse pravilnike (FCI, KZS, SKVPM) "naštudirala" preden sem se odločila za vzrejo. Nevednost pač nikoli ni bila opravičilo za napačno ravnanje.

Pohvalno! Redki so tisti ki se lahko pohvalijo s tem.

Srbija, Madžarska...in ostale podobne države so bile vedno sumljive. Jezi me le to, ker se v vsaki od teh držav najde kar nekaj poštenih vzrediteljev, psarn (sploh Madžarska), ki jim vse te zadeve delajo krivico.

Največji problemi so tam, kjer je standard izredno nizek. Na tak način si nekateri zagotovijo dodaten vir zaslužka. Ljudje pa tako ali tako padejo na ''NIZKE CENE''. V večini primerov pa se lahko potem pohvalijo z vsem drugim samo tistim ne kar so kupili.

Lp, Eva

[Jana]

Kaksna so pravila FCI:

INTERNATIONAL BREEDING RULES OF THE F.C.I.
http://www.fci.be/uploaded_files/Breeding_EN.doc

TRANSFER OF BREEDING RIGHTS – LEASE AGREEMENT

14. As a rule, the owner of the bitch at the time of the mating is considered to be the breeder of the litter. 

The right to use the bitch or the stud dog for breeding may be transferred to a third party by contract.

It is compulsory that such a transfer of breeding rights/leasing agreement be executed in writing before the breeding takes place.

The written agreement transferring the breeding rights must be recorded in due time with the appropriate organisation which keeps the stud book and, if required, with the breed club.

The lease agreement must be enclosed with the application to register the litter.  It must clearly outline the rights and obligations of the two contracting parties.

The leasee of the bitch is considered to be its owner, as understood by these rules, from the date of the whelping until the litter is weaned.

STUD BOOK REGISTRATION OF A LITTER

17. In the absence of other agreements, the new owner of a pregnant bitch automatically becomes the breeder of the expected litter. 

18. Each dog bred in and registered with a FCI member country or contract partner is to be provided with permanent and falsification-proof identification; this identification is to appear on its pedigree.

In principle, a litter is registered with the stud book of the country where the owner of the bitch lives (résidence habituelle) and will bear his kennel name.  In case the “résidence habituelle” can not be legally defined, the owner of the bitch has the right to have his/her litter born and registered in the country where he/she lives at the moment of the mating provided that the following requirements are met:

- the owner has to comply with the breeding requirements of the kennel club of the country where he/she lives at the moment of the mating.
- the owner has to provide a certificate issued by the appropriate local authorities of the place where he/she lives indicating that he is staying (with no interruption) in this country for a minimum period of 6 months.

Upon observance of these requirements, the national kennel club of the country where the owner lives at the moment of the mating has to register the litter born on its territory with its stud book, issue the pedigrees for the puppies with the owner’s kennel name and the address where he/she lives.

Exceptions are granted in cases where the breeder of dogs resides in a country which does not have an FCI recognised stud book. This breeder may register the litter in a country which keeps a stud book recognised by the FCI.

All litters are to be fully registered; this includes all puppies reared to the date of application for registration.

Pedigrees, which are in fact birth certificates, must be issued for correct parentage only. Normally, a female is to be mated by only one male for the same litter. In cases of deviations, the kennel clubs are obliged, at the breeder’s costs, to have the parentage proved by DNA testing.

BREEDING RULES OF THE MEMBER COUNTRIES

19. The breeding regulations of the member countries and contract partners can go beyond those of the FCI in their requirements, but may not be (inconsistent) in conflict with the FCI International Breeding Regulations.

[Sasenka]

Samo tole so pa tako ohlapna pravila, da v bistvu tam lahko skoraj vsakdo vzreja in vsakdo pridobi rodovnike za svoje leglo in vsaka psica ima lahko mladiče.  Kako samo ocena zunanjosti, torej se vse potencialne bolezni lahko vlečejo skozi generacije?

Kako v treh mesecih od datuma kotenja? Če ni opravičljivih razlogov za prepozno prijavo legla si jih pa pač izmisliš ali plačaš.

Tole so idealna pravila za preprodajalce.

[satin]

Ne samo da so zelo ohlapni, meni se v bistvu zdijo krasno malo prirejeni po svoje , tako si jih v bistvu lahko razlaga vsak po svoje

Meni je pa zaminiva tudi tale izjava:

- Vsi uvozeni psi iz drzav clanic FCI se vpisejo v rodovno knjigo, ce so pozitivno ocenjeni.

A če ni pozitivno ocenjen se ne vpiše kljub rodovniku iz matične države kjer je bil skoten?

Mislim da bi morala FCI včasih malce prečekirati kaj se dogaja v njenih članicah in mogoče kakšni odvzeti članstvo ali vsaj denarno kaznovati, s tem da bi bilo potrebno kaznovati tudi tisto članico ki dopušča uvoz takih "po reglcih" psov

[Jana]

Da ne bo nesporazuma - zgoraj ni "pravilnik", temvec samo z vseh vetrov in od vseh mogocih (pravih) srbskih vzrediteljev nabrana pravila, za katera oni vedo.

[satin]

Me informativno Barbka zanima kako se je potem urejala zadeva če slučajno pes ni bil ocenjen pozitivno? Kako je bilo potem z njegovim rodovnikom, pa recimo da je iz Francije (da nav kdo reku da smo se na Srbijo spravli )  Sklepam da se tega psa pri nas ni dalo vpisati v SLR.

[Barbka]

satin - mislim, da se ga potem sploh ni dalo vpisati v SLR (vpis pa je bil v bistvu takrat pogoj samo za vzrejo). Sedaj pa lahko vpišeš mladiča takoj, ko dobiš rodovnik, vpis v SLR pa je tudi pogoj za pridobitev prvaštev, vzrejnega dovoljenja, agility delovne knjižice, mislim, da tudi anvadne delovne knjižice..
Pri "moji" pasmi v Italiji ni vzrejnih pregledov. In vem, da nekateri parijo zelo mlade psice pa tudi zelo stare.